Now that Bill O'Reilly
is off the air, I think it is time I provide an account of my
appearance on the "O'Reilly Factor," since the tape of the episode I
appeared on is nowhere to be found
Ten years ago, I received a
call inviting me to appear on "The O'Reilly Factor." The occasion was a
controversy in a town in Ohio where a white teacher was chosen to teach a
Black History course when the one Black teacher in the school retired. I
assumed that I was called because my recently published book "White
Boy: A Memoir" described how I ended up as a Professor in Fordham's
Black Studies Department.
I had some experience in doing media appearances about this subject thanks to my wonderful publicity agent
Marlah Bonner McDuffie,
and had just done an appearance on the Chappelle Show which brought me
some "street cred" so I decided to accept, despite Mr O'Reilly's
reputation for eviscerating liberal guests.
When I got to the
studio, I quickly concluded that this experience was going to be more
challenging than my other media appearances, including those on Fox
Business where I was interviewed on Judge Napolitano's Show.
Whenever I was interviewed on television, I was accustomed to be
escorted into the green room where guests were to wait by a friendly
person, and offered snacks. None of this transpired. A grim faced woman
led me to a small room without food and water with a big television on
the wall. As I sat there waiting, I watched Bill O'Reilly tear apart the
head of the Republican National Committee, someone far closer to his
point of view than I was. I quickly realized that Mr O'Reilly looked
upon me, a liberal or left wing professor, as "fresh meat". I quickly
resolved that I was not going to play along.
My strategy was to
be extremely polite and respectful, but constantly change the narrative
that he was trying to establish with points on my own. But before that, I
had to win his respect through time honor methods honed in the
masculinist working
class ethos I was brought up in. Mr O.Reilly
needed to know from the outset that even though I was a liberal
professor, i was not someone he could push around, that if in fact, it
actually came to a fight, i could kick his ass.
So it had to
start with the handshake As I walked into the studio with a big smile on
my face, I assumed my most intimidating posture, looked him straight in
the eye, and shook his hand with what he must have thought surprising
firmness ( I have tennis balls cut in half on my office desk which i
squeeze regularly to strengthen my forearm) Then I sat down.
When
the discussion started, it became clear that Mr O'Reilly's agenda was
to show that what he called "Black Racism"- which he claimed was at play
when Black parents and students protested a white teacher taking over
their school's black history course- was a bigger problem than White
Racism.
So I had to change the narrative early. First, I had to
say that the Ohio parents concerns were reasonable. That given how US
history had been written and taught, it was hardly unreasonable to look
upon a white person teaching African American history with some
skepticism. I also said that context was important. When I was hired to
teach courses on Black History at Fordham, there were six black
professors full time and part time, that students could choose from.
That is a very different situation from a school where there is only one
Black History course taught by one teacher. The area in which I agreed
with Mr O'Reilly is that should be no hard and fast rule about who can
teach a particular subject based on their background; but i vehemently
disagreed with his suggestion that the Black parents and students in
that Ohio school were "racist." Give that there was only one Black
history course in the school, it was reasonable that they try to find a
Black person to teach it,
We sparred about the Ohio situation a
moment,, but then i decided to seize the podium before Mr O'Reilly did
by saying "Look, reasonable people may disagree about the Ohio
controversy, but one thing we can't lose sight of is that White Racism
remains a HUGE problem in American society something that CANNOT be
compared to whatever alleged discrimination whites experience at the
hands of Blacks."
Then, before he could catch a breath, I said
the following. "Look Bill. I am not some Ivy tower Professor. I spent
twenty years coaching CYO basketball and sandlot baseball in Brooklyn.
Just last week, my friend Gary Nielsen, a NYC firefighter, took his
younger son and one of his friends, who happened to be Black, to his
summer home in Breezy Point, an enclave filled with mostly Irish cops
and firemen. When his son and his friend went to get a snack at a local
take out place, a woman came up to them, and screamed at his Black
friend "get out of here, you don't belong here" and kicked him!
Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing, and much worse, that Black
people face every day. To compare the suspicion a white teacher
experienced when trying to teach a Black history course to this kind of
experience doesn't reflect the lived realities of Blacks and whites in
this country"
Mr. O'Reilly never expected this and he ended up
being at a loss for words. And just as I finished my remarks, I was told
time was up!
As the show ended, I shook Mr. O'Reilly's hand and
said " I really enjoyed this, I hope I will be invited back to continue
his conversation"
I never was.
And now that Mr O'Reilly is off the air, I guess I never will